some people would say in new york, that's why hillary clinton was voted into the senate. we've seen people in washington, sonny bono, gopher on the love boat and people love celebrity and name recogniti recognition, and there are people in kentucky not of the mind of mitch mcconnell. why is he worried, a, she hasn't announced she was running and b, i thought he was secure in his-- >> i don't know what karl will have to say about it and we should note at that ashley judd is not chris rock and tony bennett. she went to the kentucky school of government my alma mater, i almost flunked out i heard that she did well. so she's very smart, but she doesn't mix it up and won't come on the program and trying to have her on for years and she simply won't do it and i think that the strategy is, look, this woman's going to be able to get a lot of money, all right, because she's a celebrity. >> right. >> so the guys out in hollywood writing her checks and we want to kind of define her now before she gets any momentum, a small deal for rove and his crew, right? >> yes, a very smart stra